10:03:55 From Mary - Newaygo to Everyone : Good Morning!!! 10:04:04 From Mary Ruthko to Everyone : Good morning! 10:04:27 From Lisa Waskin-SDL to Everyone : can't hear you at all 10:05:20 From Karen Woodworth - Parchment to Everyone : Is anyone else having trouble with Zoom connecting? Lately I have to try a couple of times and then restart my computer. 10:06:31 From Brenda Dunseth to Everyone : Great looking forward to the discussion. 10:07:02 From Cindi Place to Everyone : Almost! 10:07:12 From Mary - Newaygo to Everyone : Getting there 10:07:27 From Carrie Frazer - Bath Township Public Library to Everyone : on schedule 10:07:28 From Cindi Place to Everyone : June 1st to July 30th. 10:07:33 From Mary - Newaygo to Everyone : June 1 - August 7 10:07:38 From Jamie to Everyone : We open registration June 1. Our program starts June 12. 10:07:49 From Karen Woodworth - Parchment to Everyone : June 7-August 7 for Parchment. We're starting publicity this week. 10:07:57 From Janet Batchelder to Everyone : virtual programs and Take and Make (in Detroit ) Beanstack 10:08:03 From Mary Short to Everyone : We're kicking off Juner 1 - mid Aug and using Beanstack 10:08:16 From Jamie to Everyone : We do it! 10:08:19 From Jamie to Everyone : It works out great! 10:08:25 From Jamie to Everyone : We also use Beanstack. 10:08:53 From Brenda Dunseth to Everyone : June 11-August 14. We are using Wandoo. 10:08:53 From Lisa Waskin-SDL to Everyone : we have a wide variety of programs throughout all of our branches this summer - some in person, some virtual, mostly June - August time frames 10:08:55 From Jamie to Everyone : We have paper logs, but we make sure the paper log don't start until June 12, so they can't paper log dates before that. 10:09:00 From Sam Killian-YDL to Everyone : June 12-Aug 31 is our Summer Challenge, but we have activities all summer starting beginning of June (and some even this week with outdoor book browsing) 10:09:54 From Tina @Holly Library to Everyone : Our info is already online. 10:09:58 From Mary - Newaygo to Everyone : We use ReadSquared. They can pre-register on the app, but they can't enter any reading info. Then others can come in June 1st to get a paper log 10:10:32 From Tina @Holly Library to Everyone : @cindi the drive in registration is a great idea 10:10:43 From Sam Killian-YDL to Everyone : Yes love the drive in registration 10:10:57 From Brenda Dunseth to Everyone : This year our school district asked us to use Peachjar to promote our summer reading. We used to send flyers. McDonalds is going to pass out flyers for us a week or so before the program starts. 10:11:01 From Karen Woodworth - Parchment to Everyone : We're using Google forms for online registration and offering in-person paper registration. 10:11:57 From Mary Short to Everyone : We use PeachJar too to get our fliers to the schools. Our Youth Librarians also did a video and is being shown at the schools 10:12:38 From Shayna - Bloomfield Twp to Everyone : we're doing june 21-july 31, all on beanstack, and a "big bag of summer reading" as a kickoff with "take and make" crafts and instructions on getting started. 10:13:02 From H Hohner to Everyone : Am I from the only library that has yet to get anything in place? 10:13:26 From Cindi Place to Everyone : We JUST completed our plans, so no you are not alone! 10:13:54 From Shayna - Bloomfield Twp to Everyone : nope 10:13:58 From Lisa Waskin-SDL to Everyone : we are in the EUP 10:14:11 From Cindi Place to Everyone : We are at a large village park. 10:14:13 From Sam Killian-YDL to Everyone : We're starting to do things outside, but only outside 10:14:15 From Amy Beckman-Millington Arbela District Library to Everyone : We are doing Storytime, but it is outside on the library lawn. 10:14:15 From Erin Clarke to Everyone : yes we are planning a lot of in person programs at our local parks 10:14:16 From Brenda Dunseth to Everyone : We have in-person outdoor programs and small singe family indoor programs. 10:14:18 From H Hohner to Everyone : Our OM has whatever information that is in place, but I do not know much at all. 10:14:21 From Jane Lynch to Everyone : In person, but outdoors 10:14:25 From Karen Woodworth - Parchment to Everyone : We're doing in-person OUTDOOR summer programs. In-person storytimes with social distancing, walking tours for adults, etc. 10:14:29 From H Hohner to Everyone : I’ve heard we’re doing outdoor story times. 10:14:30 From Tamara Denby to Everyone : We are at Clinton Twp Public Library 10:14:30 From Sharon to Everyone : All of ours is outside. 10:14:50 From Kate W.- BDL (her/she) to Everyone : some outdoor programs- no in doors- and take and make crafts and virtual programs 10:14:50 From Mary - Newaygo to Everyone : We are. They are all outside. Our library is connected to the City Park, so that works well. Not sure what the plan is if there's rain 10:15:03 From Karrie Waarala to Everyone : At SDL we're doing a combination of outdoor and virtual 10:15:11 From Shayna - Bloomfield Twp to Everyone : we've discussed outdoor but we don't have a good space for it. 10:15:12 From Lisa Waskin-SDL to Everyone : We have four school/public libraries in our district, so we are able to use the gym or outside 10:15:14 From Cindi Place to Everyone : We made sure all presenters could switch to virtual at the last minute if necessary 10:15:33 From Sylvia's iPad to Everyone : We partner with schools in our area with UNBOUND, a program developed by Patti Skinner at Mason County District Library, also doing outside activities and events. 10:15:58 From Lisa Waskin-SDL to Everyone : The five public libraries are doing a mix of outside and virtual for the smaller libraries. The bigger ones have some indoor with limited capacity. 10:16:01 From Andy Myers to Everyone : Echoing others, Adrian District Library is hosting a number of in-person events, but they're outside and (obviously) weather dependent. 10:16:04 From Sylvia's iPad to Everyone : We open to the public tomorrow! 10:16:11 From Sharon to Everyone : No virtual programs for kids; a couple of adult virtual programs. 10:16:47 From Amy Beckman-Millington Arbela District Library to Everyone : With the new MDHHS guidelines, we recommend masks outside but require social distancing. 10:17:05 From Sharon to Everyone : Amy, that seems wise. 10:17:33 From Karen Woodworth - Parchment to Everyone : Less programming. 10:17:43 From Erin Clarke to Everyone : about the same 10:17:50 From Sam Killian-YDL to Everyone : maybe a little less 10:18:00 From Brenda Dunseth to Everyone : Slightly less 10:18:02 From Karen Woodworth - Parchment to Everyone : We're also designing "do it yourself" scavenger hunts that count for our summer reading program. 10:18:16 From Claudine Wooley to Everyone : considerable less 10:18:17 From Sharon to Everyone : Still less than pre-pandemic "performance" programs. Many more do-it-at-home programming 10:18:23 From Carrie Frazer - Bath Township Public Library to Everyone : less than 2019, more than 2020 10:18:31 From Lisa Waskin-SDL to Everyone : about the same for us, but we've been open since June 2020, unlike most libraries, so we are almost back to normal besides the masks and capacity limits 10:19:07 From Jane Lynch to Everyone : At Escanaba, we’re doing an outdoor summer series geared toward all ages, including live music, art, tai chi, a history walk, a book discussion, in addition to our SRP. 10:19:43 From Karrie Waarala to Everyone : We've switched from a 3-month professionally printed programs brochure to a monthly in-house to allow us more flexibility to adapt programs as needed. 10:20:00 From Karen Woodworth - Parchment to Everyone : Brochures (folded 8.5x14), website, newsletter, Facebook, Instagram, posters around town, posters in the library, mention on monthly radio spot. 10:20:12 From Brenda Dunseth to Everyone : Has anyone used Peachjar to advertise to schools? What are your thoughts about it? 10:20:15 From Tiffany -- RHPL to Everyone : RHPL promotes summer reading with bookmarks, our quarterly newsletter, social media event/posts, press release, short promo videos. 10:20:19 From Lisa Waskin-SDL to Everyone : Kudos to all of you who have been shut down all this time. And best of luck to your reopenings. 10:20:35 From Mary Short to Everyone : The Grosse Pointe Library is doing an outdoor scavenger hunt in a grab and go kit and asking kids to take photos of images to spell an animal and then sending us a photo we can share on social media' 10:20:39 From Tiffany -- RHPL to Everyone : We also sent a pdf summer reading booklist flyer to the elementary and middle schools. 10:20:48 From Becky to Everyone : Yes we use Peachjar in Lake Orion and works well to reach all the school parents 10:21:03 From Lisa Waskin-SDL to Everyone : Radio promotions, newspaper articles, Facebook, Flyers - pretty much the same as usual for us too 10:21:15 From Karen Woodworth - Parchment to Everyone : I dropped off 150 brochures at our local school district to go into the Kindergarten Roundup folders for parents. 10:21:35 From Mary Short to Everyone : To promote summer Reading we're putting "stickers" on the local paper that goes to all homes in our district 10:21:42 From Tina @Holly Library to Everyone : What is Peachjar? 10:21:56 From Andy Myers to Everyone : https://ms.peachjar.com/ 10:21:56 From Janet Batchelder to Everyone : Detroit Public Library sends fliers to Detroit Schools through their Peachjar 10:22:05 From Jennifer Dye (she/her) to Everyone : We use PeachJar for distributing flyers, which they make available online. We have free membership. 10:22:07 From Tiffany -- RHPL to Everyone : The schools in Rochester put our pdf's in their weekly emails to parents. 10:22:27 From Mike Mercatante to Everyone : We use Peachjar for the Port Huron Area School District. It works well. You get to post once or twice a month for free. Yu can select demographics 10:23:06 From Laurie Walters, Brighton to Everyone : In addition to outreach to schools (flyers, a video) and mailing our events brochure to all households in our service area, we are putting signs in local businesses that kids can look for. We did it last year as a kind of scavenger hunt downtown. 10:23:11 From Mary Short to Everyone : Grosse Pointe schools do it 10:23:49 From Lisa Waskin-SDL to Everyone : Laurie, I would like to hear more about the Scavenger Hunt idea. That would work well here I think. 10:24:54 From Jennifer Dye (she/her) to Everyone : PeachJar used to be just once a month for free accounts, but they've revised their interface for the better, and I didn't check to see whether we were allowed to post more than once. Fogot to say before that I am at Detroit Public Library. 10:25:34 From Jill Wioskowski (Dearborn Heights Library) to Everyone : Dearborn Heights Libraries is hosting two scavenger hunts: one for adults and the 2nd for kids. I'm organizing the adult hunt. 10:25:36 From Cindi Place to Everyone : We did that last year (pictures of buildings) and it was well received! 10:26:24 From Claudine Wooley to Everyone : we're also doing a bingo sheet for weekly prizes 10:26:33 From Lisa Waskin-SDL to Everyone : I love the picture idea. The newspaper has done that and it is always a hit. I would like to try and incorporate marketing into the Scavenger Hunt. 10:26:45 From Sharon to Everyone : I LOVE that idea! 10:26:52 From Sharon to Everyone : What story did you choose? 10:27:02 From Sharon to Everyone : Rather, how did you choose the story? 10:27:59 From Jane Lynch to Everyone : We’re partnering with another community group to have an official Story Walk installed :) 10:28:17 From Cindi Place to Everyone : Last year we did "Brown Bear" 10:28:18 From H Hohner to Everyone : We plan to have local pizza place put 1/2 page flyers on pizza boxes. 10:28:33 From Lisa Waskin-SDL to Everyone : Our Curtis Library does Turtle Days in July, and they have a fantastic business-oriented game where each business has a game, the kids pick up a flyer at the library, and they get a stamp at each business after they complete the game, and once they fill it up, they bring it back to the library and pick out a free prize that have been donated by the businesses. 10:29:24 From Tamara Denby to Everyone : We are 10:29:27 From Carrie Frazer - Bath Township Public Library to Everyone : Bath is 10:29:29 From Jane Lynch to Everyone : Escanaba is. 10:29:30 From Cindi Place to Everyone : Bellaire is.... 10:29:34 From H Hohner to Everyone : Yes to library quest 10:29:37 From Erin Clarke to Everyone : Eaton Rapids is 10:29:38 From Tracy Robinson to Everyone : Salem South Lyon is also 10:29:52 From Janet Batchelder to Everyone : Yes DPL is doing MiLibraryQuest! 10:29:54 From Mike Mercatante to Everyone : St. Clair County Library System is 10:30:02 From Sam Killian-YDL to Everyone : we did that earlier in the winter (for their Valentines day hunt) 10:30:03 From Mary Ruthko to Everyone : https://milibraryquest.wixsite.com/ 10:30:15 From Andy Myers to Everyone : For National Library Week (as well as Library Card Sign-up Month) we hosted a "Spirit Week." Most of the staff participated, dressing up/down according to daily themes, and patrons were invited to participate. While business is definitely slower than pre-pandemic levels, patron engagement has been fun. We've had a couple families join in on the fun dressed up as their favorite superheroes or in their gaudiest Hawaiian shirts, depending on the day. :D 10:30:17 From Kristine to Everyone : Here's the link: https://milibraryquest.wixsite.com/quest1 10:30:53 From Andy Myers to Everyone : We're discussing another Spirit Day(s) throughout the Summer. 10:31:53 From Mary - Newaygo to Everyone : How do you find out what libraries participate? 10:32:07 From Tamara Denby to Everyone : We did several photo scavenger hunts last summer. One had folks recreating book covers. The books were placed in business and home windows. 10:32:31 From Jill Wioskowski (Dearborn Heights Library) to Everyone : 22 missions for adults which get posted on our library's website in July. All of the missions are things folks can do at home. Examples include: blast from the past - show us your high school look; citrus smiles: take a selfie with an orange skin showing; play librarian: make your own display of favorite things. 10:32:39 From Mary Ruthko to Everyone : https://www.facebook.com/MiLibraryQuest 10:33:04 From Sharon to Everyone : So many great ideas! 10:33:48 From Shayna - Bloomfield Twp to Everyone : we do quarterly mailings and it's our most successful marketing tool. 10:34:12 From Sharon to Everyone : I'd love to, but it isn't free in my area. 10:34:27 From Stefanie Furge to Everyone : At Hartland Cromaine we were doing monthly digital newsletters, but have our first printed newsletter for summer (June-Aug) schedules to arrive in mailboxes soon! 10:34:58 From Brenda Dunseth to Everyone : We have a direct mailing 3 times a year with the upcoming programming information and any new library information. It is very effective. 10:35:00 From Stefanie Furge to Everyone : We still have a LARGE patron base that doesn't use digital resources such as email or social media. 10:35:27 From Mary Short to Everyone : We do a printed newsletter 3 times a year and insert in our local paper that goes to all households 10:36:28 From Karen Woodworth - Parchment to Everyone : We used to do a quarterly printed newsletter but since COVID we've changed to a monthly email newsletter (also posted on website) of Canva slides. 10:36:57 From Karen Woodworth - Parchment to Everyone : We put trifold brochures in acrylic pockets on the outside of our library doors. 10:37:24 From Karen Woodworth - Parchment to Everyone : Our trifold brochures are quarterly. 10:37:34 From Sharon to Everyone : We have a quarterly newsletter distributed to patrons, and also posted online. It's pretty effective at getting the word out. 10:38:10 From Lisa Waskin-SDL to Everyone : We have numerous Little Free Libraries throughout our district that we put information in with the books 10:38:56 From H Hohner to Everyone : First time to put banners out front of both branches. 10:39:03 From Amy Beckman-Millington Arbela District Library to Everyone : Still going to try to offer make and take kits for some families as well as in-person outdoor summer programming. Trying to meet everyone at where their comfort level is. 10:40:16 From Sharon to Everyone : Great idea! 10:40:47 From Karen Woodworth - Parchment to Everyone : Prize unboxing videos sound really fun! 10:41:27 From Janet Batchelder to Everyone : I love the unboxing idea. We can recreate that even though we unboxed already 10:41:33 From Erin Clarke to Everyone : Making ours today 10:41:38 From Sylvia's iPad to Everyone : Sounds great! We will try it! 10:41:48 From Sam Killian-YDL to Everyone : I like the unboxing ideas...We're doing a very basic one that just has the link and a bit about how to sign up 10:41:48 From Lisa Waskin-SDL to Everyone : We do weekly videos at several libraries 10:41:50 From Cindi Place to Everyone : No video yet, but weekly podcast with our teens doing the podcast 10:41:53 From Mary Short to Everyone : The Grosse Point Library did a video based on the Brady Bunch theme to promote summer reading this year 10:41:55 From Anita V- Muskegon Area District Library to Everyone : Yes, we are doing a Summer Reading video and getting it to the schools. 10:43:45 From Stefanie (Grand Ledge Area DL) to Everyone : https://youtu.be/XEnwG_LZqhY It was basic, but here was our quick promo. Plan to do something similar this year once I finish putting up all our decorations. 10:44:13 From Stefanie Furge to Everyone : No, not at all! 10:44:15 From Janet Batchelder to Everyone : Some people are not comfortable coming out yet 10:44:28 From Lisa Waskin-SDL to Everyone : No, we are actually good with the lower numbers at this time 10:44:48 From Karen Woodworth - Parchment to Everyone : No pressure here. But because surrounding libraries are closed, we're getting a lot of new people coming in to use our computers. 10:45:01 From Sharon to Everyone : Everyone here seem comfortable with letting things take their time returning to "normal". 10:45:05 From Stefanie Furge to Everyone : Exactly Mary! 10:45:24 From Stefanie Furge to Everyone : What are circulation numbers like? What is virtual program attendance? What are website visits? 10:45:31 From Janet Batchelder to Everyone : no pressure, limited time in the building, capacity limits 10:46:31 From Cindi Place to Everyone : The changes of MDHHS and CDC, without MiOSHA removing the mask requirement has really caused issues for us. 10:47:10 From Tamara Denby to Everyone : Clinton is a small Class 1 library as well. Door counts and circ is low here as well. 10:47:19 From Becky to Everyone : It's just going to take time for the public to reengage 10:47:32 From Tamara Denby to Everyone : We have been open since July 2020 also. It seems to be a common issue for some small libraries. 10:48:03 From Shayna - Bloomfield Twp to Everyone : I agree with Stefanie about bringing stats to the director. like "we may not be getting bodies in the building but this is how patrons are still engaging with the library" 10:49:46 From Karen Woodworth - Parchment to Everyone : It took a while for people to figure out we were open. I think the large "sandwich board" sign in front of our door helps. It currently tells them they need to wear a mask and limit their time to an hour. 10:51:02 From Tamara Denby to Everyone : We have been promoting programs and services more in local newspapers and are slowly building numbers. We still get a lot of phone calls asking if we’re open. 10:51:32 From Lisa Waskin-SDL to Everyone : We have been open for almost a year, and people still call here too. 10:51:36 From Kate W.- BDL (her/she) to Everyone : we still have people coming in not realizing we've been open since last Summer 10:52:02 From Tamara Denby to Everyone : I think that is a large part of the problem. People assume the library is closed. 10:52:23 From Erin Clarke to Everyone : eehlke@eradl.org 10:53:51 From Sharon to Everyone : We have changed our service levels so many times I feel it's understandable that our community is sometimes confused. I'm confused about our ever-changing staff schedules; I get it! 10:54:31 From Lisa Waskin-SDL to Everyone : I think people are stillnot comfortable being around other people, and if they have to choose between going to the grocery store or the library, they aren't going to come here. 10:55:01 From Sharon to Everyone : We've also made virtual tours, and those have been extremely popular. 10:55:44 From Becky to Everyone : yep patrons and staff are still nervous and some aren't so hard to adjust 10:56:09 From Lisa Waskin-SDL to Everyone : Plus, I have plenty of people up here that aren't going to come in until they don't have to wear a mask 10:58:17 From Amy Beckman-Millington Arbela District Library to Everyone : At the beginning when we opened by appointment, we still had curbside on certain days of the week. That allowed for flexible scheduling of staff, so that some staff that didn't feel as comfortable yet were working on those curbside days. 10:59:32 From Sam Killian-YDL to Everyone : Our administration has been very supportive and encouraging vaccines and letting people voice concerns when we're thinking about announcing any changes 10:59:39 From Karen Woodworth - Parchment to Everyone : We still offer curbside during all our open hours for people who aren't comfortable coming in the building OR for people who refuse to wear a mask. (Mask refusers are uncommon here, luckily.) 10:59:46 From Jane Lynch to Everyone : I might wear a mask forever while on the circ desk because people are germy & gross. When a patron licks their fingers to get their library card from their wallet, then hand it to me? 🤮 11:00:02 From Sam Killian-YDL to Everyone : I have to go too, but thanks again for this! 11:00:14 From Cindi Place to Everyone : We will continue to use curbside and lockers as an option indefinitely. 11:00:15 From Sharon to Everyone : Jane, I hear you! 11:00:46 From Mary Short to Everyone : I think we'll have curbside forever 11:00:48 From Janet Batchelder to Everyone : Curbside and pick-up in the building 11:01:11 From Tamara Denby to Everyone : We don’t have much demand for curbside, but we will not discontinue. 11:01:17 From Sharon to Everyone : We are continuing to offer curbside for those same reasons, Lisa. 11:01:21 From Mary - Newaygo to Everyone : We are going to continue it in Newaygo. It's not a big deal. We get very few of them, but people are still using it. 11:01:24 From Jane Lynch to Everyone : We’re keeping our drive-up window service! 11:01:40 From Janet Batchelder to Everyone : People walk up and bike up for curbside too 11:02:17 From Mary - Newaygo to Everyone : Gotta go! Thanks!!! 11:03:59 From Tina @Holly Library to Everyone : Lisa what library are you from? 11:04:16 From Cindi Place to Everyone : We have parents sign a release when they come. 11:04:21 From Karen Woodworth - Parchment to Everyone : Written waivers for minors in video are always a good idea. 11:04:26 From Jane Lynch to Everyone : Permissions needed, for us anyway 11:04:32 From Janet Batchelder to Everyone : Photo release 11:04:41 From Shayna - Bloomfield Twp to Everyone : our administration is very against filming or photographing kids. 11:04:58 From Shayna - Bloomfield Twp to Everyone : we do use photo releases in rare instances that we do. 11:06:05 From Mary Ruthko to Erin Clarke(Direct Message) : Had an idea....perhaps you could suggest having a week or two week period were anyone who comes into the library can spin a wheel for a prize...like erase fines, gift cards, etc. 11:07:01 From Erin Clarke to Mary Ruthko(Direct Message) : I really like that idea! Thank you! 11:07:29 From Shayna - Bloomfield Twp to Everyone : you can contact clare membiela too. 11:07:31 From Mary Ruthko to Erin Clarke(Direct Message) : You will probably need some sort of gimmick. Also, do grab and go crafts 11:07:49 From Cindi Place to Everyone : If you stream live I believe you are ok. 11:08:34 From Erin Clarke to Mary Ruthko(Direct Message) : We've been doing grab and go kits and they've been selling out, but then some people wont pick them up. 11:08:40 From Lisa Waskin-SDL to Everyone : You and me both Stephanie. My kids have been on flyers, in parades, on videos, etc. 11:09:21 From Jane Lynch to Everyone : I use a lot of my own photos in publicity, too. 11:09:42 From Kristine to Everyone : We believe libraries have to get permission from the publisher before using a book. We always thank the publisher for giving us permission. 11:09:46 From Kristine to Everyone : What other companies are used to create and send email newsletters beside OrangeBoy, Constant Contact, MailChimp. What's your favorite? 11:10:00 From Mary Short to Everyone : Thank you. This was great 11:10:03 From Brenda Dunseth to Everyone : Thanks everyone! 11:10:03 From Shayna - Bloomfield Twp to Everyone : we use orangeboy 11:10:12 From Lisa Waskin-SDL to Everyone : good meeting 11:10:21 From Sharon to Everyone : Thank you! Always very helpful and inspiring! 11:10:32 From Jane Lynch to Everyone : Thanks, everyone! 11:10:39 From Jennifer Dye (she/her) to Everyone : Thank you! 11:10:51 From Sylvia's iPad to Everyone : Thank you, all the ideas are amazing! Great collaboration! 11:10:56 From Janet Batchelder to Everyone : Thank you! 11:11:14 From Tamara Denby to Everyone : Thank you for sharing! 11:11:14 From Tina @Holly Library to Everyone : Thanks 11:11:22 From Karen Woodworth - Parchment to Everyone : Mail Chimp 11:11:22 From Tina @Holly Library to Everyone : Mailchimp 11:11:22 From Stefanie (Grand Ledge Area DL) to Everyone : Library Aware for sure 11:11:32 From Lisa Waskin-SDL to Everyone : I've used mailchimp 11:11:44 From Karen Woodworth - Parchment to Everyone : Maybe this could be a topic for another session. 11:11:46 From Tamara Denby to Everyone : MailerLite. Low cost (free). 11:11:59 From Sylvia's iPad to Everyone : We just started using Library Aware as well